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		<title>Comment on There’s something rotten in the State of Corinth… NTiR (2 Corinthians 4-6) by Paul&#8217;s massive ego trip &#8211; NTiR (2 Corinthians 7-10) - Biffster&#039;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul&#8217;s massive ego trip &#8211; NTiR (2 Corinthians 7-10) - Biffster&#039;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] book has suddenly started to get incredibly boring. I started to fall asleep while reading for the last update. I claim &#8220;not my fault&#8221; on that one. Paul drones on and on about subjects when he is [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on There’s something rotten in the State of Corinth… NTiR (2 Corinthians 4-6) by Biffster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Josh! Thanks for the comment. :) I can hear what you are saying, and I can see your interpretation. But that isn&#039;t what Paul actually wrote in the letter. It may very well be what was meant. But his words are &quot;stop being unevenly yoked with unbelievers... What agreement can a temple of God make with idols?&quot; Paul then goes on with, &quot;&#039;separate yourselves from them.&#039;&quot;

In other words, I don&#039;t see anything in chapter 6 that sounds like a romantic relationship. It still reads to me like Paul is saying to steer clear of the unbelievers. It reminds me of the &quot;for you are in the world but not of the world&quot; line.

Unless, I guess, you are saying that the verse is directed towards individuals and not the church itself, and that &quot;yoked&quot; means &quot;romantically involved.&quot;  That seems out of context with the rest of the chapter, which is talking with the Corinthians as a sum, not as individuals.

I guess I can sorta see that. Though I don&#039;t know if saying &quot;hey, don&#039;t fall in love with that person if she is not a believer&quot; is all that much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Josh! Thanks for the comment. <img src='http://biffster.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I can hear what you are saying, and I can see your interpretation. But that isn&#8217;t what Paul actually wrote in the letter. It may very well be what was meant. But his words are &#8220;stop being unevenly yoked with unbelievers&#8230; What agreement can a temple of God make with idols?&#8221; Paul then goes on with, &#8220;&#8216;separate yourselves from them.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, I don&#8217;t see anything in chapter 6 that sounds like a romantic relationship. It still reads to me like Paul is saying to steer clear of the unbelievers. It reminds me of the &#8220;for you are in the world but not of the world&#8221; line.</p>
<p>Unless, I guess, you are saying that the verse is directed towards individuals and not the church itself, and that &#8220;yoked&#8221; means &#8220;romantically involved.&#8221;  That seems out of context with the rest of the chapter, which is talking with the Corinthians as a sum, not as individuals.</p>
<p>I guess I can sorta see that. Though I don&#8217;t know if saying &#8220;hey, don&#8217;t fall in love with that person if she is not a believer&#8221; is all that much better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on There’s something rotten in the State of Corinth… NTiR (2 Corinthians 4-6) by Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very skewed.

&quot;...even perhaps death, is worth it to gain an eternity’s worth of grace from God.&quot;
God&#039;s grace is not earned, it is given. Paul writes from the perspective that God has given us all these gifts; what is the proper response? If the Corinthians do NOT respond correctly, God will not take away those gifts.


&quot;Paul is basically saying that the church in Corinth  should not be as welcoming of newcomers as it is&quot;
Absolutely false. It&#039;s talking about serious romantic relationships here. From a purely pragmatic perspective it can (sometimes) be a bad idea to be in an intimate relationship with someone who doesn&#039;t share values that you hold deeply. 
It&#039;s not talking about being cold towards unbelievers. That&#039;s absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very skewed.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;even perhaps death, is worth it to gain an eternity’s worth of grace from God.&#8221;<br />
God&#8217;s grace is not earned, it is given. Paul writes from the perspective that God has given us all these gifts; what is the proper response? If the Corinthians do NOT respond correctly, God will not take away those gifts.</p>
<p>&#8220;Paul is basically saying that the church in Corinth  should not be as welcoming of newcomers as it is&#8221;<br />
Absolutely false. It&#8217;s talking about serious romantic relationships here. From a purely pragmatic perspective it can (sometimes) be a bad idea to be in an intimate relationship with someone who doesn&#8217;t share values that you hold deeply.<br />
It&#8217;s not talking about being cold towards unbelievers. That&#8217;s absurd.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Paul understand himself? NTiR (2 Corinthians 1-3) by There’s something rotten in the State of Corinth… NTiR (2 Corinthians 4-6) - Biffster&#039;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>There’s something rotten in the State of Corinth… NTiR (2 Corinthians 4-6) - Biffster&#039;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our last entry, Paul pulled out a number of tricks from his &#8220;How to Keep Followers&#8221; bag. Paul tried [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on NTiR by Does Paul understand himself? NTiR (2 Corinthians 1-3) - Biffster&#039;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Paul understand himself? NTiR (2 Corinthians 1-3) - Biffster&#039;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on NTiR by NTiR: Paul keeps chucking the first stones (1 Corinthians 13-16) - Biffster&#039;s World</title>
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		<title>Comment on NTiR: Poor Paul isn&#8217;t getting any&#8230; (1 Corinthians 5-8) by NTiR: Sexism, thy name is Paul&#8230; (1 Corinthians 9-12) - Biffster&#039;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>NTiR: Sexism, thy name is Paul&#8230; (1 Corinthians 9-12) - Biffster&#039;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to say, 1 Corinthians is turning out to be much more entertaining than I expected. Mostly because the last four chapters pertained to Paul not having sex. That explains a lot about Paul&#8217;s character and general disposition. I am able to re-frame my [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on NTiR by NTiR: Poor Paul isn&#8217;t getting any&#8230; (1 Corinthians 5-8) - Biffster&#039;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>NTiR: Poor Paul isn&#8217;t getting any&#8230; (1 Corinthians 5-8) - Biffster&#039;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on NTiR: Thank God, this letter is OVER! (Romans 14-16) by Dan Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple thoughts on Paul&#039;s defensiveness:

Jesus&#039; teaching presupposes Judaism. He taught in a fully Jewish environment, and his message was mainly an elaboration and clarification of what God expected via the Mosaic law that his hearers were already well aware of. Paul, on the other hand, is writing raw pagans-turned-Christians of the Hellenistic world, whose former religious practices were very different from what Jesus was addressing.

I think Paul gets defensive, because the churches he established were veering wildly off course, and they needed, in his opinion, to be set straight--and quick.

In 1 Corinthians, you had people open divisions and fractions occurring, misuse of the &quot;spiritual gifts&quot;, people feeling that the freedom of Christ&#039;s love entitled them to indulge in incest, temple prostitution, and other various immoralities, etc.

In Galatians, hardcore Judaizers were promoting a full-fledged return to the law of Moses--including circumcision--for all Christians.

In Thessalonians, people being so concerned about the 2nd Coming of Christ that they had stopped working for a living and were just sitting around waiting for it, and so on.

On these and other occasions, Paul would write and say, &quot;Look guys, this isn&#039;t the way,&quot; and often they&#039;d respond with &quot;Oh yeah? Who put you in charge?&quot; Thus his various defenses of his position, authority, credentials, etc. Especially in 1 and 2nd Corinthians. (Not to mention in a lot of his letters--it&#039;s kind of veiled and hard to see--Paul is trying to raise money for the Jerusalem church. That always hits a nerve.)

Lastly, his various differences of opinion were rarely versus the other apostles. Usually they were Paul versus a local faction of a local church which HE founded. In his absences they would get certain ideas, and then feel that he had no right to correct them, and he&#039;d return with, &quot;Well, I&#039;m the one who taught you all this... I think I know what the message is.&quot;

Interestingly enough, in Galatians Paul says that he presented his &quot;version&quot; of the gospel, or what I guess we could call rudimentary Christianity, to Peter and John for approval, and they didn&#039;t have any disagreements, or anything to add. In 2 Peter, Peter (Cephas) endorses &quot;brother Paul&quot;, and his letters, showing agreement there as well.

Pretty much all the apostles--Paul, Peter, John (especially john!), James, Jude, take the same tone in their letters. They&#039;re definitely pastoral and interested in correcting wrong thinking and clarifying what the message is and how it&#039;s to be lived.

Anyway, good luck as you progress. I imagine you&#039;ll have fun with chapters 6 and 7. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple thoughts on Paul&#8217;s defensiveness:</p>
<p>Jesus&#8217; teaching presupposes Judaism. He taught in a fully Jewish environment, and his message was mainly an elaboration and clarification of what God expected via the Mosaic law that his hearers were already well aware of. Paul, on the other hand, is writing raw pagans-turned-Christians of the Hellenistic world, whose former religious practices were very different from what Jesus was addressing.</p>
<p>I think Paul gets defensive, because the churches he established were veering wildly off course, and they needed, in his opinion, to be set straight&#8211;and quick.</p>
<p>In 1 Corinthians, you had people open divisions and fractions occurring, misuse of the &#8220;spiritual gifts&#8221;, people feeling that the freedom of Christ&#8217;s love entitled them to indulge in incest, temple prostitution, and other various immoralities, etc.</p>
<p>In Galatians, hardcore Judaizers were promoting a full-fledged return to the law of Moses&#8211;including circumcision&#8211;for all Christians.</p>
<p>In Thessalonians, people being so concerned about the 2nd Coming of Christ that they had stopped working for a living and were just sitting around waiting for it, and so on.</p>
<p>On these and other occasions, Paul would write and say, &#8220;Look guys, this isn&#8217;t the way,&#8221; and often they&#8217;d respond with &#8220;Oh yeah? Who put you in charge?&#8221; Thus his various defenses of his position, authority, credentials, etc. Especially in 1 and 2nd Corinthians. (Not to mention in a lot of his letters&#8211;it&#8217;s kind of veiled and hard to see&#8211;Paul is trying to raise money for the Jerusalem church. That always hits a nerve.)</p>
<p>Lastly, his various differences of opinion were rarely versus the other apostles. Usually they were Paul versus a local faction of a local church which HE founded. In his absences they would get certain ideas, and then feel that he had no right to correct them, and he&#8217;d return with, &#8220;Well, I&#8217;m the one who taught you all this&#8230; I think I know what the message is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, in Galatians Paul says that he presented his &#8220;version&#8221; of the gospel, or what I guess we could call rudimentary Christianity, to Peter and John for approval, and they didn&#8217;t have any disagreements, or anything to add. In 2 Peter, Peter (Cephas) endorses &#8220;brother Paul&#8221;, and his letters, showing agreement there as well.</p>
<p>Pretty much all the apostles&#8211;Paul, Peter, John (especially john!), James, Jude, take the same tone in their letters. They&#8217;re definitely pastoral and interested in correcting wrong thinking and clarifying what the message is and how it&#8217;s to be lived.</p>
<p>Anyway, good luck as you progress. I imagine you&#8217;ll have fun with chapters 6 and 7. <img src='http://biffster.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on NTiR: Thank God, this letter is OVER! (Romans 14-16) by Biffster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can definitely agree on Jesus&#039;s message being timeless. And it should be. The core of his teachings - be nice to each other, help those less fortunate than you, don&#039;t judge others, concentrate on your own path, do good deeds, don&#039;t lord you faith over others - are something that everyone should follow. I just don&#039;t think that Paul followed these.

I&#039;m working through 1 Corinthians right now, and the first thing that is blatantly obvious is that people don&#039;t agree with Paul&#039;s teachings. Enough don&#039;t agree that Paul flew off the handle at them in the first four chapters of 1 Corinthians. What I am trying to figure out is just why Paul is so defensive, and why he doesn&#039;t want any competition for people&#039;s hearts and minds. I am guessing I&#039;ll get more information on this as I progress through the books. :)

I do agree that, every now and then, Paul turns into an excellent orator. It&#039;s usually when he&#039;s delving deeply into scripture. You can - or I can - see his expertise and knowledge coming to the forefront, both in what he presents and how he interprets it. You can tell he spent a lot of time in Greece - I loved Luke&#039;s description of Paul&#039;s time there in Acts, btw - and is versed in Greek deliberation. I don&#039;t agree with him on most points, but he is at least entertaining.

Everything else that I&#039;ve read of him? Not so much.

Thanks for the comment! And for letting me know that comment submission was broken. I&#039;ve fixed it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can definitely agree on Jesus&#8217;s message being timeless. And it should be. The core of his teachings &#8211; be nice to each other, help those less fortunate than you, don&#8217;t judge others, concentrate on your own path, do good deeds, don&#8217;t lord you faith over others &#8211; are something that everyone should follow. I just don&#8217;t think that Paul followed these.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working through 1 Corinthians right now, and the first thing that is blatantly obvious is that people don&#8217;t agree with Paul&#8217;s teachings. Enough don&#8217;t agree that Paul flew off the handle at them in the first four chapters of 1 Corinthians. What I am trying to figure out is just why Paul is so defensive, and why he doesn&#8217;t want any competition for people&#8217;s hearts and minds. I am guessing I&#8217;ll get more information on this as I progress through the books. <img src='http://biffster.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do agree that, every now and then, Paul turns into an excellent orator. It&#8217;s usually when he&#8217;s delving deeply into scripture. You can &#8211; or I can &#8211; see his expertise and knowledge coming to the forefront, both in what he presents and how he interprets it. You can tell he spent a lot of time in Greece &#8211; I loved Luke&#8217;s description of Paul&#8217;s time there in Acts, btw &#8211; and is versed in Greek deliberation. I don&#8217;t agree with him on most points, but he is at least entertaining.</p>
<p>Everything else that I&#8217;ve read of him? Not so much.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment! And for letting me know that comment submission was broken. I&#8217;ve fixed it. <img src='http://biffster.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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